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		<title>By: Iarfhlaith</title>
		<link>http://www.webstrong.ie/2009/04/getting-rich-slowly/comment-page-1/#comment-1008</link>
		<dc:creator>Iarfhlaith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Niall,

You&#039;re partially right on this. Yes, we&#039;d keep the IP on the project so we could resell the app to others (otherwise it wouldn&#039;t be a feasible business model). 

But for the moment, we&#039;re not building these apps as multi-tenant systems, so the risk of bleeding data from one account to another isn&#039;t a consideration.

Also, because each app is standalone (separate hosting, separate database) it&#039;s a lot easier to customise them on an adhoc basis later on.

I think I&#039;ve covered most of your concerns here, but I&#039;m open to further suggestions on improving this model if you have any. The whole point of this business model was to make bespoke apps more affordable, less of a risk to the customer and to encourage people to &#039;come out of the woodwork&#039; with their problems and ideas. Something that it&#039;s definitely managed to do so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Niall,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re partially right on this. Yes, we&#8217;d keep the IP on the project so we could resell the app to others (otherwise it wouldn&#8217;t be a feasible business model). </p>
<p>But for the moment, we&#8217;re not building these apps as multi-tenant systems, so the risk of bleeding data from one account to another isn&#8217;t a consideration.</p>
<p>Also, because each app is standalone (separate hosting, separate database) it&#8217;s a lot easier to customise them on an adhoc basis later on.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ve covered most of your concerns here, but I&#8217;m open to further suggestions on improving this model if you have any. The whole point of this business model was to make bespoke apps more affordable, less of a risk to the customer and to encourage people to &#8216;come out of the woodwork&#8217; with their problems and ideas. Something that it&#8217;s definitely managed to do so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
		<link>http://www.webstrong.ie/2009/04/getting-rich-slowly/comment-page-1/#comment-1007</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who owns the intellectual property for any web app built under your new model? I take it that webstrong do as you intend to offer the app to other customers?

Some concerns I would have if I was to approach you to build a custom web app for me...

- The app would be built as a multi-tenant app which adds security concerns
- The conflict bewteen what I need customised to my needs versus your needs to build something quite generic so that it can be sold to other companies
- How do you handle requests for large customisations of my web app down the road?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who owns the intellectual property for any web app built under your new model? I take it that webstrong do as you intend to offer the app to other customers?</p>
<p>Some concerns I would have if I was to approach you to build a custom web app for me&#8230;</p>
<p>- The app would be built as a multi-tenant app which adds security concerns<br />
- The conflict bewteen what I need customised to my needs versus your needs to build something quite generic so that it can be sold to other companies<br />
- How do you handle requests for large customisations of my web app down the road?</p>
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		<title>By: Caelen</title>
		<link>http://www.webstrong.ie/2009/04/getting-rich-slowly/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Caelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I am a big fan of the subscription model. You raise some good points, one of which I would expand on:

&quot;As long as the subscription rate beats the churn then you still have a winner&quot;

This is true however it is difficult to achieve in the long run as  the subscription rate is normally tied to resources. In the case of webstrong it is tied to the number of coders, in our case it is tied to the number of people in sales. However the number of customers that churn is a function of the number of customer they have (and the churn rate). 

So the problem of churn becomes greater with the number of customers that you have, while your ability to add new customers remain static (assuming no new resources). This leads to a flatting of revenue with ever year.

In the instance where you add a customer a month and you have a 20% annual churn rate you loose 1 customer in year one, two in year two and 10 in year 5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I am a big fan of the subscription model. You raise some good points, one of which I would expand on:</p>
<p>&#8220;As long as the subscription rate beats the churn then you still have a winner&#8221;</p>
<p>This is true however it is difficult to achieve in the long run as  the subscription rate is normally tied to resources. In the case of webstrong it is tied to the number of coders, in our case it is tied to the number of people in sales. However the number of customers that churn is a function of the number of customer they have (and the churn rate). </p>
<p>So the problem of churn becomes greater with the number of customers that you have, while your ability to add new customers remain static (assuming no new resources). This leads to a flatting of revenue with ever year.</p>
<p>In the instance where you add a customer a month and you have a 20% annual churn rate you loose 1 customer in year one, two in year two and 10 in year 5.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://www.webstrong.ie/2009/04/getting-rich-slowly/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>James Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caelen:  I like to think of churn in terms of average customer lifetime.  All customers will eventually die - actually or figuratively.  The question is how long that will take.  What really matters is the rate of growth.  As long as the subscription rate beats the churn then you still have a winner.  For www.taskfive.com the customer lifetime was about 3 months.  For piehole - a lot of our subscribers have been with us from the get go.  


I like:
*  Risk is diversified across several projects 
*  Suitable for automated payment (I&#039;d require this)
*  Can be funded from consultancy work
*  Helps clients finance potentially expensive development

I don&#039;t like:
*  Clients may prefer not to be locked in (buy out clause required?)
*  Software dev is hard and competitive  (but that is just for me)

Of course you will find many software development houses charging a 15 - 20% maintenance fee anyway which is not that radically different from this model.

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caelen:  I like to think of churn in terms of average customer lifetime.  All customers will eventually die &#8211; actually or figuratively.  The question is how long that will take.  What really matters is the rate of growth.  As long as the subscription rate beats the churn then you still have a winner.  For <a href="http://www.taskfive.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.taskfive.com</a> the customer lifetime was about 3 months.  For piehole &#8211; a lot of our subscribers have been with us from the get go.  </p>
<p>I like:<br />
*  Risk is diversified across several projects<br />
*  Suitable for automated payment (I&#8217;d require this)<br />
*  Can be funded from consultancy work<br />
*  Helps clients finance potentially expensive development</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like:<br />
*  Clients may prefer not to be locked in (buy out clause required?)<br />
*  Software dev is hard and competitive  (but that is just for me)</p>
<p>Of course you will find many software development houses charging a 15 &#8211; 20% maintenance fee anyway which is not that radically different from this model.</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: Iarfhlaith</title>
		<link>http://www.webstrong.ie/2009/04/getting-rich-slowly/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Iarfhlaith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely right.

The reality is that there will always be customers that won&#039;t pay, will cancel, or go bust. All I can do to minimise this is build a quality product and choose customers carefully.

I wouldn&#039;t even attempt to make an assumption on the actual rate of churn. Because the truth is, I honestly don&#039;t know what it&#039;ll be.

20% seems a fair enough assumption, but time will tell. Maybe I&#039;ll do a follow up to this post in a couple of months and throw out some actual figures. Would people be interested in that?

Best of luck with your talk!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely right.</p>
<p>The reality is that there will always be customers that won&#8217;t pay, will cancel, or go bust. All I can do to minimise this is build a quality product and choose customers carefully.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t even attempt to make an assumption on the actual rate of churn. Because the truth is, I honestly don&#8217;t know what it&#8217;ll be.</p>
<p>20% seems a fair enough assumption, but time will tell. Maybe I&#8217;ll do a follow up to this post in a couple of months and throw out some actual figures. Would people be interested in that?</p>
<p>Best of luck with your talk!</p>
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		<title>By: Caelen</title>
		<link>http://www.webstrong.ie/2009/04/getting-rich-slowly/comment-page-1/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Caelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subscription models are often seen as the holy grail of web businesses because of the way that revenue build. However the model must include for churn. It would be interesting to hear your assumptions on churn rate. So for example if you can complete one project a month and loose 20% of your customers a year (they go bust, can track, no longer need your software, don&#039;t pay you, etc.) then your revenue is capped at about 60 customers. This is something that I am talking about at barcamp belfast</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subscription models are often seen as the holy grail of web businesses because of the way that revenue build. However the model must include for churn. It would be interesting to hear your assumptions on churn rate. So for example if you can complete one project a month and loose 20% of your customers a year (they go bust, can track, no longer need your software, don&#8217;t pay you, etc.) then your revenue is capped at about 60 customers. This is something that I am talking about at barcamp belfast</p>
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